Original intentions with C&C Options

[Bittah Commander]

Westwood decided to make Red Alert the prequel to Tiberian Dawn during the development of it.

[Crimsonum]

or prequel expansion pack for Tiberian Dawn. But with my point of view, the games would form a line like this:



------Our universe---------------
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa|
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaRA-------------TD---------------TS-------------TI------------TT
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa*
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaRA2----------YR--------RA3(?)------TW!!!


"*"= Unknown event that causes the birth of the second Command & Conquer universe.
"|"= Einstein creates a parallel universe, the first Command & Conquer universe.
"!!!"= Following this funny chain reaction of universes coming into existence, what if C&C3 is actually happening in that RA2 universe? it would explain lots of things....I know, speculation, speculation....

This post has been edited by WorManiac: Mar 12 2007, 04:38 PM

[ORCACommander]

RA2 comes before TD but doesn't take place in the TD universe

[Crimsonum]

RA2 comes before TD but doesn't take place in the TD universe

That's right, but it was born in the events of Tiberian Incursion, according to Ishmael

[Crash]

The easiest way I would see this coming around is...
Red Alert 1 Soviet win ---> Tiberian Dawn ---> Tiberian sun
Red Alert 2 Allies Win ---> Red Alert 2

It will be interesting to see what EA decides to do

[Bittah Commander]

You see it wrong, Tiberian Dawn follows the allied victory of Red Alert.

This what happens when the soviets win:
Nadia kills Stalin (for the Brotherhood of Nod) and Kane kills Nadia, giving him a perfect alibi; he killed Stalin's killer when he found Stalin dead (forensic detectives would only confirm that).
Kane being Stalin's right hand, would naturally take Stalin's place as general of the Soviets, giving the Brotherhood of Nod world wide domination.

[Mr. Pokey]

I don't see how people can think that TD follows the soviet victory of RA.

[Crash]

maybe... GDI took control of the world later on after that.
I know it's not the real meaning but....

[Bittah Commander]

If the soviets would win, there would be no GDI.

[Tore]

hmm maybe it is

Real world -> Red Alert -> Red Alert 2 -> YR -> a little time after YR

In that time Einstein is working on a Cronosphere then suddenly Kane appears he shots Einstein and activates the Cronosphere without knowing it is not finished yet Kane only knows that it will transport him back in time the then the Cronosphere is fully charged it opens a hole in time and space sucking Kane in to it and transports him in to the "Real world" in year 800 Kane is unconscious and he's glowing due to his journey then some monks from the Brotherhood of Nod finds him but on the other side of the galaxy (or something) another rift appears sucking a Scrin planet in it and a tiny part from that planet breaks off and id aimed right towards earth in the 1990 Kane stopped glowing and he awakes seing some of the last remaining of the Brotherhood of Nod and he becomes leader because the Brotherhood of Nod thinks he is a man send from God 5 years later the peace or the Scrin planet hits earth and the 1st Tiberium War begins

Then TD -> TS -> what ever..........

the story is a bit rushed but maybe this happend

yeah it lsounds like bullsh*t but ill try to make it better but I don't have time now.

[Bittah Commander]

Didn't you read the post before yours? This topic is about the original intentions with C&C and I already gave the time line that was originally intended, so there's no maybe.

According to EA's timeline Red Alert 2 might happen after Red Alert 1 in the same universe or they might place make a C&C and RA universe, but either way this isn't the original intention with C&C. When placing Red Alert 2 after Red Alert 1 it also creates a lot of plot holes you really can't get around. In Red Alert 2 certain buildings hint that World War 2 has taken place, while this is impossible if Red Alert 2 would happen after Red Alert 1. A lot of the technology in Tiberian Dawn is also a lot less advanced than the technology of Red Alert 2, which is another thing that makes it impossible for Red Alert 2 to happen in the same universe as Red Alert and Tiberian Dawn.

[Nod Strike]

EA could just deside

'right, theres three games. Lets just say that they are different games all together...

[Bittah Commander]

EA could (and even tried when they released RA2 and Generals), but then why would they all be called C&C's? It is possible EA would stick with their decision, but it's also possible for them not to.

[Crash]

My personal view of cnc is now:

Our Universe: Generals - +++
Red Alert: Red Alert 1 - Red Alert 2 - Red Alert 3
\
Tiberium: Tiberian Dawn - Tiberian Sun - Tiberium Wars (not orginal, I know!)

To me it seems that red alert 1 can result in starting the Tiberium universe or making its own universe, the red alert universe

This post has been edited by Crash-King: Apr 8 2007, 09:05 PM

[Bittah Commander]

In my opinion, even without the existance of Tiberian Dawn, it would be impossible for Red Alert 2 to happen after it Red Alert 1 without creating plotholes(within the same universe).
Red Alert 2 has indications of that World War II happened, while this is impossible if Red Alert 2 would happen after Red Alert 1.

[Crash]

Then it doesn't make sence at all. Red Alert 2 should in my opinion be a lot different. The technology, terrain and the movies.

: More serious movies

: Not that kind of technology, this makes tiberian dawn look like it's before red alert 2 ( even it's not in the same universe, technology shouldn't envolve that fast )

: Better storyline, more of a prequel to Red Alert 1, it doesn't look like one.

: Terrain is too cartoony, should been more like TS terrain.

This post has been edited by Crash-King: Apr 8 2007, 11:13 PM

[Blacksilence]

Great story line, know i now what about the exesting of the names and timeline.

[tetnis shot ninj...]

i feel that RA2 was just a game made to make money, not to extend on the RA1 story or even connect it to TS. It was very cartoony not in that i mean that in the way of how it looked but the story. it was just to be funny. then YR came out , it was kind of a play on all those twilight zone type stories. mind control, yuri's ufos, his base in transylvania. i say RA2 doesnt even have to be in the universe of RA1 nor does it have to be a seperate universe, its just a game made with no intent of keeping with a story.

as for the tiberium universe story, you can pretty much tell it comes after RA1 because kane comes to power. wether they really meant for it to be when they were making it doesnt matter because it is now. and as for the thoughts on the iron curtain and chronosphere being gone, they were different games. WW didnt want to just remake TD when they made RA1. and TD was allready made so when they decided to connect the stories they probably didnt feel the need to explain how technologies change between the games, theyre just different games meant to play differently.

mostly i just want to know WWs ideas or if they had a full story on kane. i just want to know the whole story behind him and the entire brotherhood. also about cabals importance other than just being a new enemy to fight. also as for the thought on kane having a deal with the scrin, i dont like it. i feel that when kane found the scrin ship (showing that the scrin have also been to earth, not just tiberium) that he came upon their plot there. maybe he even met some scrin but i dont think he made a deal with them. i feel that the scrin didnt have any other contact with the planet because if they had i think they would have been able to spread tieberium faster and easier than would having kane do it. kane knows somthing about the power of tiberium. ooh maybe its like the story to the X-files. tiberium holds the key to making it impossible for the scrin to take the planet and its people. ehh too many new questions.

its just that if the scrin had any more knowledge about earth than they did when they first sent tiberium there, they would be able to spread tiberium a lot faster without the need of kane. and as for the teleporting thing kane does. if you say that the scrin have teleportation technology then wouldnt it make sense that kane would get that technology when he found the scrin ship. he says that he found it near the end of the first tiberium war, which is when he teleported out of the temple of nod.

also i want to know WWs intentions for the actual scrin. i just really wonder how far EA deviated from WWs concept.

This post has been edited by tetnis shot ninja: Apr 9 2007, 06:49 PM

[The DvD]

Well Ninja, i think i agree with most of what you said. Having just finished playing TW, i just read the following quote on page 2:

QUOTE(Ishmael-PG @ Mar 8 2007, 06:27 PM)
Kane built CABAL and incorporated pieces of his psyche into the machine while constructing its personality. Ever see the film "Saturn 5"? The robot learned its obsessions and murderous tendencies from the "teacher" it was connected to -- a similar thing happened here. CABAL is an extension of Kane's mind so that Kane would have a completely obedient and cunning ally. Unfortunately, the data from the Tacitus gave CABAL some other desires that allowed him to bend Kane's will and desires....

FWIW, there were 5 eventual factions planned when we were talking about C&C3 it back at WW: GDI, Nod, Scrin (first release), Forgotten (expansion 1), CABAL (expansion 2).

Now this is interesting. CABAL is nowhere to be found in CnC3. However Kane is suddenly back. This creates an interesting opportunity to bring back CABAL in an expansion pack. By the way it's clear that Kane did NOT make a deal with the Scrin, as their leader clearly states that he wants to know more about the phenomenon 'Kane'.

[Clazzy]

i feel that RA2 was just a game made to make money, not to extend on the RA1 story or even connect it to TS.

Newsflash: All games that are sold are made to make money.

[Crash]

Newsflash: All games that are sold are made to make money.

Indeed.

[tetnis shot ninj...]

i meant that it was the only reason as in they didnt care to make it follow any story they just knew they could make a lot of money off of the C&C name.

and in the end of firestorm wasnt there a movie where kane or maybe even a bunch of clones of kane were sitting in tubes and there was the voice of kane and cabal saying somthing about an objective complete or somthing. i dont remember exactly what happened because i havent beat FS in years but i kind of remember that. how could they just take cabal out of the game when the ending of FS tied him back in?

and as for the scrin not having a deal with kane. in EAs C&C3 they apparently dont but i really want to know what the story was as WW had it.

[Bittah Commander]

@ tetnis shot ninja:
Kane didn't say he found the Scrinship at the end of the first tiberium war; Kane said it was built at the end of the first tiberium war and in an FMV Vega confirms it was Kane who built it.
I agree with you about RA2; the creators of it (now known as EA Pacific) didn't take C&C nor it's fans seriously at all. When you play RA2 it feels like it was intended for eight-year-olds.

[tetnis shot ninj...]

hahahaha thats true. HOW CAN YOU TAKE THE GORE OUT OF C&C!!!!! but yeah thanks for correcting me, he did say it was built. but that also helps my point considering why would the scrin have him build a ship if they could just give him one.

[Bittah Commander]

More!

So in TW it is a liquid tiberium explosion that summons the scrin to Earth, "Ichor LQ Detonation". Was this planned from the start?

It was not. It was the scrin rebels that fled with the tacitus that brings the Scrin forces to Earth.

Now that being said, was the storyline changed from what you guys intended Kane's original goals to be?

It's different than we had planned it, but remember it didn't go through as much scrutiny because we never got to filming stages with it. I don't know how it would have ended up with us, but it was different in the planning stages.

[tetnis shot ninj...]

the fact that they just said that there were scrin rebels makes me believe that EAs scrin a different than WWs would have been. EAs scrin seem to be like insects where insects are more hive minded. im not sure if you guys know what i mean, but they only live to work for the colony. i understand that these are obviously highly evolved creatures but i just have this feeling its not what WW had in mind.

[ShDwBoRn]

Wow this is really complicated. If the Scrin used a hivemind that would make it freakishly difficult to rebel, has anyone here read any of the "foundation" books by Isaac Asimov. In that there is a hive mind of humans called gaia, and in that it took a severely messed up mutant psychic guy to rebel against the hive mind. The scrin using a hivemind seems impractical and acts as a weird barrier that prevents plot development (kinda like RA2).

[tetnis shot ninj...]

oh im not saying that was true, i was just saying that most insects live and work for the colony. scrin look insect like in C&C3 so i was just making a comparison between real insects and them.

[blai]

Well, EA's Scrin might not even be Scrin at all. There's a GDI Intel Log about language and cultural differences between the aliens and the information in the Tacitus (Alien Origins, Connections to the Tacitus), and that the race that created the Tacitus are different than the invaders. It also metioned a message about the invaders meeting another alien race.

[tetnis shot ninj...]

oh no dont tell me EA went and made two alien races!!!!! when i was on another forum cant remember which one. one with people form EA on it (dont know names) people were complaining about somthing and the EA guy said that maybe the aliens that had the tacitus were actually different aliens that were against the scrin. i thought that he was probably just saying that so he didnt have to tell the real story but no!