Mechs or Tanks, An age old C&C question, which is better? Options

[Darkstorm]

Just a simple question seeing as how C&C 4 is going back to what seems a mech based game similar to TS (though not nearly as good). I personally think in the situation they have it set in Mechs seem logical since they allow you to be above the Tiberium. Tanks are ok but seem a bit illogical since Tiberium would make it hard to move around. I thought I'd ask for your opinions.

[KingByng]

Nothing can match the Disruptor tank, sorry. You have no defence against a few dozens coming at you, save for the EMP.

Tanks could also plow through the Tiberium on the ground. Be easier than having something try to walk over it and fall over.

[jadems]

Well I have no technical view over why the mech is better than the tank. It's just aesthetically in my opinion better.

Where are all the Jpeople? Mechs would win.

[Darkstorm]

I'm talking in general, more of mechanics not power because thats just in the game, if I wanted I could make it as strong (or weak) as a Light Infantry. More of looks and mechanically, not their weapons or armor.

[Corsair]

I prefer tanks because they're tried and true, and more reliable than a Mech but it's a game and doesn't matter Mechs do look different and interesting. I just see Mechs as more reconnaisance and support, so fewer choices but not removed.

[CommanderSpartan]

I'm gonna have to go with the tank due to reliability, but aesthetically and for the cnc games, I'd have to say mechs.
But still, whats more intimidating, a tank column rushing at you Soviet style? Or a few dozen titans walking toward you.
In the end my vote goes to the infantry.


lol.

[Corsair]

In the end my vote goes to the infantry.

I considered that

[Revolutionary]

imo i think mechs should be the big, heavy fire power units but need to be back up with tanks.

[Darkstorm]

Yeah, in a way mechs can't go it alone. By choosing Mechs that can mean 2-3 tanks seeing as you can't fight a war with only mechs since they can become unstable. Same goes for Tanks as that can mean a TW style with only 3 mechs, the main focus being tanks. By choosing Mechs with some Tanks (same with Tanks with some Mechs with Mechs) you could mean 3-8 Tanks depending on the amount of units in the game.

As for you little infantry lovers, try this on for size.

This post has been edited by Darkstorm: Aug 5 2009, 03:49 AM

[Orac]

I voxel. I love tanks.



Voted for mehcs anyway

[Nod Strike]

None. Go biplanes! Nneeeeewwww diggadiggadigga.

[Corsair]

As for you little infantry lovers, try this on for size.

I could kill that, easy

[jadems]

heh, how do i give Corsair a 5-star rating?

[CommanderSpartan]

I could kill that, easy

I have to agree with Corsair there, a well placed ambush could take that thing down.

[Deathrider1991]

Well the reason GDI started using mechs was because they were always fighting on such a diverse terrain and never knew what type of terrain they were going to be fighting on.

Not to mention that the terrain was all crapped up from tiberium.

I like mechs BTW, but infantry best.

This post has been edited by Deathrider1991: Aug 10 2009, 02:13 AM

[Altzan]

My opinion: Dunno which is better, but mechs are awesome
But the combo is a good idea so I voted for that one.

[Warlord]

Mechs are better I think, but a few tanks here and there don't hurt anything.

[Altzan]

Mechs are better I think, but a few tanks here and there don't hurt anything.

Hopefully they can, or why would you have them?

[Blackhand Comman...]

I like mechs, much more than tanks, because they look better, and a tank cant make such a hulking terror like a mech on the battlefield. ( but not in the real world, mechs would suck in a real army)
However I think mechs should be in support role (like the Juggernaut Artillery)

In my opinion mechs sux without tanks, sometimes tanks sux without infantry, and infantry ALWAYS needs air support. If you send infantrymen without aircraft, the consequence is usually a heavy causility.

This post has been edited by Blackhand Commando: Aug 14 2009, 02:17 PM

[CommanderSpartan]

I like mechs, much more than tanks, because they look better, and a tank cant make such a hulking terror like a mech on the battlefield. ( but not in the real world, mechs would suck in a real army)
However I think mechs should be in support role (like the Juggernaut Artillery)

In my opinion mechs sux without tanks, sometimes tanks sux without infantry, and infantry ALWAYS needs air support. If you send infantrymen without aircraft, the consequence is usually a heavy causility.

Mechs if designed correctly could have potential in the battlefield, but I like you doubt it, as the complexity of the moving parts and the legs supporting such a heavy body would cause more problems than potential to be used as an effective weapon.

However, I must disagree with your comments of tanks and infantry.
Tanks have more than enough armaments to deal with infantry, with mounted machine guns and coaxial guns as well,
sure they aren't affective as they could be when combined with infantry, but they're not sitting ducks like you suggest.

Next, infantry do not require aircraft, aircraft are completely support and are not a necessity.
Infantry would call in aircraft to take out a hardened target or to eliminate a tank column.
That doesn't mean that infantry would have to call in aircraft whenever they sight a few tanks or some APCs,
nowadays everyone from your standard soldier armed with a Javelin to a highly skilled marksman can take out
or at least cause massive damage to a group of armored vehicles.
In my opinion the everyday grunt is more effective a weapon than a tank column.

[Dubzac]

the only thing mechs allways have a advanage is height because it can see more and fire and longer ranges.
but without tanks that tatic usually alone wount win a war

[Blackhand Comman...]

the only thing mechs allways have a advanage is height because it can see more and fire and longer ranges.
but without tanks that tatic usually alone wount win a war

Height is one of the mech's many weaknesses, cus a high vehicle is a good target for everything.

I think mechs needs tanks to provide support, especially because mechs aren't the most stable machines...
Tanks arent sitting ducks, I know, but in urban combat they suck without infantry support.
As I said Infantry can operate alone, but usually massive causilityes occur. (reallly even in TS, just think about it: 30 infantry without aircraft, VS a well defended artillery unit

This post has been edited by Blackhand Commando: Aug 15 2009, 09:49 AM

[CommanderSpartan]

Height is one of the mech's many weaknesses, cus a high vehicle is a good target for everything.

I think mechs needs tanks to provide support, especially because mechs aren't the most stable machines...
Tanks arent sitting ducks, I know, but in urban combat they suck without infantry support.
As I said Infantry can operate alone, but usually massive causilityes occur. (reallly even in TS, just think about it: 30 infantry without aircraft, VS a well defended artillery unit

You can't just say mechs are not stable, seeing as we don't have mechs yet and that would be incorrect and who knows,
in the next 10-20 years we may be able to create a system that makes them more effective than in current theory.

You never said in urban combat, you only said in tanks in general which is vague,
and even in urban combat a well trained tank crew can take care of themselves.
Also you should never see TS as realistic, seeing as artillery don't work like that in real life.
Artillery pieces don't automatically start firing at units as soon as they come into range and they aren't deadly accurate,
so your idea of infantry is extremely flawed. Infantry can take short work of armored vehicles, aircraft, and other infantry
if they are deployed properly with the correct armament.

I really don't like how you assume and use games for real world references, your spelling bugs me as well.

This post has been edited by CommanderSpartan: Aug 15 2009, 01:42 PM

[Corsair]

Yea, the infantry in TS have never heard of cover... or camouflage for that matter...

[Blackhand Comman...]

Of corse, mechs aren't in a real army, its true.
And I said EVEN IN TS not LIKE IN TS

in urban combat... just think about it, in the Iraqui war the USA forces lost much more tanks in urban areas than on open space (even while they were armed with several machine guns and reactive armor)
If i think about it u was right about the infantry, they really dont need air support in every situation.

but u said
Infantry can make short work of tanks -> <- a well trained tank crew can take care of themselves in urban combat (against infantry too?)

Lol by the way, if i take a look at the bit older posts we originally talked about ts Mechs VS tanks VS infantry, not about real life

Well the reason GDI started using mechs was because they were always fighting on such a diverse terrain and never knew what type of terrain they were going to be fighting on.
Not to mention that the terrain was all crapped up from tiberium.

[jadems]

u was right

Well, in TW... infantry do use cover. Still not a good example though.

Who's seen the series Generation Kill? I saw one episode, but still, both in urban and open area, an armoured car took care of itself against small arms and rpgs.

But, I think we can all agree on the Juggernaut!

[Blackhand Comman...]

But, I think we can all agree on the Juggernaut!

Jah especially the MK2 (behemoth) version

[Roani52]

Mechs are just cool... But tanks are better

[CommanderSpartan]

I wasn't contradicting myself.
Tanks can, as I have stated with a competent crew can survive an ambush created by infantry, for now,
however when weapons similar to the Javelin are more abundant like the RPG-7, then infantry will rule the roads.
Seeing the demonstrations of the weapon I made my educated guess that infantry can take out armored columns with ease,
but for now the armies that can utilize this weapon against their enemies would be limited to the western countries
which allows for both of my points to be valid without contradicting one another.

I believe the cause of tank casualties would be more due to IEDs rather than RPG-7s.
Also just because this started as a debate in the TS universe didn't mean it wasn't made to show the real world differences between mechs and tanks.

This post has been edited by CommanderSpartan: Aug 16 2009, 07:32 PM

[Corsair]

Who's seen the series Generation Kill? I saw one episode, but still, both in urban and open area, an armoured car took care of itself against small arms and rpgs.

Well, it does always come down to the competence of the person utilizing the equipment--a mech's miniguns, a tank's cannon, or an assault rifle, if you don't know when or how to use it then your just boned.

This post has been edited by Corsair: Aug 16 2009, 09:53 PM