Voxel sections and overlapping? Options

[Team Black]

I've been looking hard to figure this out, with no luck though...

I need to find out how to tell the game which section is on top (see below pic)
I need to get it so that the mixing drum overlaps the body, and not vice versa.

I'm guessing it has something to do with the "transform matrix", because that's the only thing I haven't tried yet

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[ORCACommander]

how about attatvhing them to the body and not having them s a seperate section

[Team Black]

a rotating mixing barrel hva is cool, and I'm not just trying to find out for this voxel specifically, just as an example, to descibe my qustion better.

[blai]

There's no way to have the voxel "know" which section to overlap (at least to my knowledge, anyways.) You have to actually make a hollow body, and then place the rotating drum over it.

[Team Black]

There's a link on my sig to the cement truck voxel, and it shows (more or less) the hva I made

OK I switched up the voxel sections.
copied & pasted the mixing barrel where the "truck" section was, and copy-pasted the truck as the "mixer" section.
Since it screwed up the HVA I had made, I made a blitz, 2 frame animation for testing purposes.

The mixer overlapped correctly, but only when facing certain angles. (pic on the left)
I was thinking that it might be using the turret-overlap system, where it overlaps on the front facings, and is overlapped on the behind facings.
When I compared the two, it wasn't really the case. None of it makes any sense.

EDIT: I used the old HVA after the section- switch, and still the truck is overlapping the mixer. (pic on the right)
The only factor that really changed was the canvas size though.
Perhaps the game decides section overlapping by the size of the canvas???
I'll have to test it later to know for sure..no time at the moment

BTW what is the purpose of the voxel header>"transform matrix" and "misc"?

This post has been edited by Team Black: Apr 19 2007, 09:59 PM

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[The DvD]

Moved to modding discussion. I'm also not sure what your problem is, looking at the images?

[Team Black]

in an animated voxel, I want to figure out how the game decides which voxel section overlaps another.
In the cement trck, there are two sections: the main boy, "TRUCK" section, and the mixing barrel "MIXER" section, which rotates in its hva animation.
The pic at the top of the thread shows the MIXER as behind the TRUCK, which shouldn't be, as seen in it's hva posted below...

I thought the problem might be in the ORDER of the sections, so I switched the TRUCK and MIXER sections.

in the two pics on the left of my 3rd post, I made a quick 2 frame hva to compensate for the switch in the sections. I noticed that the MIXER section is shown correctly only from some facings. I noticed that a turret does the same thing, so I compared th two. In the comparison, I noticed no similarities, so that experiment went nowhere

in the pic on the right of my 3rd post, I used the original hva with the sections switched, and found that the TRUCK section was still overlapping the MIXER section anyways. So it doesn't even depend on the section order.

Someone has got to know how to make the sections overlap correctly! Just tell me, so that I can quit wasting my time doing useless expiraments!

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[Blacksilence]

still dont get it

[Team Black]

I don't see what's so hard about this. look at the hva view, then take a closer look at it ingame, and tell me what is wrong with this pic:
hint: the mixing barrel is shown UNDERNEATH the truck! how do I fix this!?

This post has been edited by Team Black: Apr 22 2007, 07:36 PM

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[Lin Kuei Ominae]

i'm not good in manual editing voxels, but maybe it helps if you adjust the min and max bounds of your unit in the header.
Because with the Mixer the unit is higher than the actual truck, the game maybe tries to compensate the height in a weird way.
I can only guess that it could be fixed if you raise the bounds max Z value of your unit in Section/Voxel Header/Misc or even add some empty voxel planes along the z-axis of the truck-section.

Do you adjusted the height of the truck section in the hva too? If yes this could be another reason. And maybe the hva stands in conflict with the Min Max bounds settings in the voxel header. It seems to me that the unit is lower than it should be. I think it can be seen on its shadow that is a little bit to high. It starts 2 pixel above the lower end of the weels if you look at the trucks facing west and east. But maybe this is just me and it's totally nonsense.

IMO the solution lies in the header.

This post has been edited by Lin Kuei Ominae: Apr 24 2007, 12:40 AM