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Posted by: Lin Kuei Ominae Apr 27 2007, 11:06 AM

\EDIT new version 1.1 rendered with antialiasing and no secondary upgrade pod.
It also has improved damage frames and an active anim (with damageanim) of a glowing dome in the centre of the ringrails.

Download Zip with the SHPs and art/rules.ini examples:  LKOFTWRv11.zip ( 158.13K ) : 1556

Ingame:
Buildup:
Cameos: MG, Single Cannon, Double Cannon, SAM, Artillery, Disruptor (following Denmon0728 example of good cameos for the old version )

The turrets: MG, Single Cannon, Double Cannon, SAM, Artillery, Disruptor


\EDIT the old version below
Hi after being a while on vacation here sth new from me.

As written in the Thread http://www.tiberiumweb.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=583 in the advanced editing forum i tried to make a Base Defense with 2 upgrades/Turrets.

Even if i didn't get it work, because i can't even make a duplicate of the Component Tower (the CTWR seems to be hard coded), i still made the Heavy Base Defense, because i hate the weakness of the ctwr (i spend much money for a good turret but only few shots are needed to get it destroyed, making the ctwr useless in my eyes).

I also tried it with the code from the GDI upgrade Centre, but the main problem is, that even if those upgrades can have each his own weapon, they can't have any Turret animation. Only looped animations are working for this. Thats why this idea isn't usable too.

At least i made for my little mod 5 different tower with each having a different turret. I know it's not perfect, but since it isn't possible in an other way, or someone finds a better one i leave it.

OK, here is the result
It's a 2x2 Base Defense with 5 different Turrets. MG, Single Cannon, Double Cannon, Missile Turret and Artillery turret.
The main (Primary) Turret is turning on 2 big metal rings going aroung the main building. The Secondary Turret (not done yet) can be placed on top similar to the ctwr upgrades.

Ingame:
_____MG turret_____Single Cannon turret___Double Cannon turret_____Sam turret_______Artillery turret_____

Zip with all shp's and art.ini/rules.ini code example:  LKOftwr.zip ( 98.17K ) : 863
the example code includes code for 5 towers with fixed installed turrets and the not working code for the upgradeable tower.
Denmon0728 made some better cameos. These you can find http://www.tiberiumweb.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=698

Note: i didn't made the secondary upgrades yet. i will make them later \EDIT (no i don't think i will make secondary upgrades anymore)

Final Note: I hope someone finds out how to make it work with 2 upgradable turrets and post his/her solution here. Even a solution for only 1 upgrade would make me happy because i didn't even get this work without replacing the original ctwr. (in addition the replacement of the ctwr would only allow 3 different turret images, seems to be hardcoded too)

Posted by: Tartan Bunny Apr 28 2007, 02:04 AM

i've seen these before, but any way good stuff, i like these the most out of all your shps

Posted by: Lin Kuei Ominae Oct 2 2007, 10:11 PM

version 1.1 finished and uploaded
it has no more a secondary upgrade pod and the art/rules.ini example shows them as seperate buildings. 1 Building for each turret.

I think now it is more suitable for mods and hasn't this unfinished status anymore. And as a compensation therefor that it took quite long, i made an extra turret the "Disruptor Turret".

I hope this makes an end to weak GDI Base Defenses.

Posted by: Team Black Oct 2 2007, 11:03 PM

wow, this is complete OWNAGE, LKO. Nice work!

Posted by: Machine Oct 3 2007, 05:27 PM

Yay, I was hoping for a remake of this, way cool LKO , though it's a RA2 styled buildup

Posted by: z Oct 4 2007, 08:49 AM

Indeed it is, Machine

Great job!

Posted by: BloodReign Oct 4 2007, 06:55 PM

feels like the center is lacking something now maybe where the upgrade pad used to be maybe put a control room?

Posted by: Lin Kuei Ominae Oct 5 2007, 01:11 AM

the problem is, if i make a higher "thing" than the dome in the centre, i have to remake all the turrets too. Because they have to be hidden by the "thing" while facing north. (like the old version turrets having a black area where the upgrade pod is located). But with antialiasing i can't render the turret and mask it with the "thing"s 3dmodel (or it antialiases into the "thing"s 3dmodel), so i have to work on the final pictures frame by frame and cut out the "thing"s silhouette. And that is too much work.
So no third version from me.
But if you want you can remove the activeanim and replace it by your own. Then all you have to do is to adjust all the turrets.

Posted by: jadems Oct 5 2007, 01:40 AM

So the shape can has to remain the same correct? I's just fill it in with GDI colours and put a 4 pixel light on it XD

Posted by: Omen Oct 6 2007, 12:02 PM

This is so awesome that I want it, but then again, I have no use for it in my mod :( It is too "heavy" for my conception of GDI. Maybe a special "General" or House might have a use for it.

Posted by: Team Black Oct 6 2007, 02:28 PM

GDI ain't hardcore enough for you?

Posted by: Omen Oct 6 2007, 06:31 PM

You just proved my point. GDI lies on heavy units, not heavy defenses.

Posted by: Corsair Oct 12 2007, 09:49 PM

RPG tower?

Posted by: Machine Oct 12 2007, 11:44 PM

The RPG tower isn't a heavy defense, as it's quite fragile. Though GDI had heavy defenses in dawn, and it has heavy defenses in TW; but GDI's defenses have been allways significantly weaker than Nod's defenses.

Posted by: Omen Oct 13 2007, 07:03 AM

Machine is correct. Besides, the Adv. Guard Tower in Dawn wasn't very heavy defense either, it was just damn good against infantry and air units.

Posted by: Rico Oct 15 2007, 01:36 AM

I found the advanced guard tower more effective then the obalisk in defence if you ask me

Posted by: TSHyper Oct 15 2007, 08:08 AM

Oh my... LKO, this owns! Awesome work ^_^

Posted by: Omen Oct 15 2007, 01:36 PM

Apparently you haven't played TD enough. Try to put an obelisk vs adv. guard tower, and see what happens. Obelisk looses only a half of it's health. You may think that the adv. guard tower is more effective because Nod only possesses light units that are vulnerable to the tower's missiles.

Offtopic:

Anyone ever found out where exactly adv. guard tower launches its missiles? It's hard to see any place in the structure that could be a missile launching site (the missiles just pop out of the thin air above the tower)...

Posted by: Rico Oct 15 2007, 01:56 PM

I did say in defence, not in killing eachother

Posted by: Lin Kuei Ominae Oct 15 2007, 02:19 PM

offtopic but
yep, adv guard tower was in defense stronger due to area effect and fast firerate, however very inaccurate.

Afaik the missiles were fired from the 3 side-hatches at the top.

Posted by: Omen Oct 15 2007, 06:09 PM

Where did you get that image? And btw, the missile hatches I think you are referring into appear light blue in the game, which create an illusion of windows....or are they windows?

Posted by: Lin Kuei Ominae Oct 15 2007, 07:01 PM

google "C&C advanced guard tower". right, on some pics they look like windows, but ingame for me those are more metal blue than windows blue. If they are indeed windows, there is no place where the missile could come from. Maybe an invisible hatch in the roof, so that the missiles would actually start vertical, but it was too complicated to implement in TD?

Posted by: z Oct 15 2007, 07:29 PM

Ahem. Topic split guys?

Also, that image owns so much. I want more!

Posted by: Omen Oct 16 2007, 01:44 PM

If split, name it as "The Mystery of The Adv. Guard Tower"

Posted by: sniper Dec 19 2007, 10:00 PM

these look very good, but i would like to know what the coding for the weapons are...plz.

Posted by: Team Black Dec 19 2007, 10:05 PM

they're included in the download, if you read the post

Posted by: Lin Kuei Ominae Dec 19 2007, 11:39 PM

no, not the weapons. I've put only the building example codes in the ini. I thought if someone is able to add this building he/she is also able to create some new weapons for this. (just a copy paste of an original weapon with some changes)

However, my weapons are a bit too comprehensive to put in the example, since they use cluster/split and art.ini debris logics.
That's why you have to make your own weapons sniper and change the primary/secondary keys in my example code.

Posted by: BloodReign Dec 20 2007, 12:08 AM

lol ya you are good at making a original weapons systems remember that missile that went in circles?

Posted by: sniper Dec 20 2007, 01:05 AM

oh, i was thinking about making my own but i wanted to know how you balanced out your weapons.

Posted by: 0warfighter0 Jul 15 2008, 03:31 PM

Sorry for posting so late but I've got 2 questions.

1. The game seems to crash when I build the MG tower can it be art related or is it the rules?
EDIT: please ignore this TS seems to crasch after a while no matter what I do + graphical issues: Hovercraft with Titan legs and titan with an antenna with 2 meters with.

2. Is it possible to let walls "attach" to the fortress towers like they do with the gates/plug towers?
EDIT: is it this? WallTower=GACTWR,GAFTWRMG

Posted by: Lin Kuei Ominae Jul 15 2008, 07:15 PM

no, WallTower is indeed the key, but it accepts only one building. So if you still use the ctwr it doesn't works.

Posted by: 0warfighter0 Jul 15 2008, 08:22 PM

Curse that engine! No just kidding every engine has it limitations...

Posted by: RoterMilan Aug 19 2008, 07:14 PM

is there actually a way a building uses two weapons with different weapon range or is it really impossible?
i tried for hours without results... but some weapons have multiple warheads, isn't it possible to write a weapon which shoots with mgs and grenades, could that be the solution for the multiple warhead towers?

Posted by: 0warfighter0 Aug 19 2008, 07:24 PM

I don't think such a weapon is possible.

Posted by: Lin Kuei Ominae Aug 19 2008, 07:46 PM

this doesn't belongs here and should be in the modding forum.

i really don't know what your problem is.
Primary=MG
Secondary=GrenadeLauncher
[MG]
Range=4
Warhead=SA
[GrenadeLauncher]
Range=7
Warhead=AP

If you have 2 weapons on a unit/building the one with the higher verses value (of its warhead) against the target is chosen or the one which has the range to shoot at it.
in the example the unit/building would use always the MG against infantry and the grenade launcher only if the target is out of range of the MG, because the SA warhead of the MG has 100% against infantry while the AP of the Grenadelauncher has only 25%.
The grenadelauncher would be always used against tanks and never the MG, because here the Grenadelauncher has the higher verses value against armor.


this makes no sense at all
1. there is no weapon at all that has 2 warheads. each weapon has 1 warhead.
2. what do you mean with multiple warhead towers? the only possible is a building with 1 or 2 weapons. A warhead without a weapon, which uses this, is useless.

Posted by: RoterMilan Aug 22 2008, 10:16 AM

the thing that i wanted to know: is it possible to make the basedefensetowers shoot with two weapons in the same moment? i was trying hard on this but couldn't create something like it. i didn't mean the warheads in rules.ini, i mean to create a new warhead which uses explosive and mg warheads.

Posted by: Lin Kuei Ominae Aug 22 2008, 12:34 PM

no, the game fires only 1 weapon at a time.
If you really want a warhead with explosive and mg behaviour, just edit the verses values. (for each armor type use only the highest value from both warhead types). Then create a new animation which looks like an explosion plus some mg shots for this warhead.
Though i don't see the need for this anyway, since you can then use a laser instead which can kill everything with the same firepower too.