ATTN:All TS fans... Options

[Carnotaurus]

We all trolled the hell out of the horde for useless things like WALLS(Oh God.). While Walls failed, we got blue tiberium, among our other wins. Now, lets band together and see if we can do something here...

http://forums.ea.com/mboards/thread.jspa?threadID=227038

[Team Black]

I like the thought, but there's a lot of misplaced Westwood hatin going on there...You [should] know perfectly well that EA rushed Westwood into releasing TS as well as FS, and as a result, they had to ditch a ton of the cool features that they had originally intended to put in it.

[Nod Strike]

Like what?

[DonutArnold]

Dropship window feature for example?

[Carnotaurus]

I like the thought, but there's a lot of misplaced Westwood hatin going on there...You [should] know perfectly well that EA rushed Westwood into releasing TS as well as FS, and as a result, they had to ditch a ton of the cool features that they had originally intended to put in it.

If TS development started in '96(Really '95 the idea was born, however W$ wants to cash in with Red Alert 1, probably the best move of this company.) and ended in '99, I think four years to go from concepts to ingame is PLENTY of time, however W$ f*cked around and delayed a LOT of times(You can not deny the delays), EA acquired W$ in September of '98. Sun comes out in the U.S. in August of '99. A 11 month deadline? About f*cking time, if you ask me. Everybody was frustrated with the delay, and the release still sucked(it lags when you go to build sandbags for god's sakes, and the engine is slow, atleast it got a little refined with RA2.). If W$ actually did there f*cking job instead of going 'lol, delay', we'd have a TS that doesnt slow when I click on a LOL, SANDBAG.

[ORCACommander]

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[Bittah Commander]

Carno, if EA wouldn't have given Westwood that deadline, most of these issues wouldn't even be there. Yes, they might have delayed, but I think a delay is fully acceptable which the quality of the game makes up for it (which for instance isn't the case with TW).
EA gave Westwood a deadline they couldn't meet and nevertheless they made great game.

By the way, I rarely experienced that lag. It's either caused by a bad graphics card or outdated video drivers.

[Crash]

I already thought TS was a good game (my favourite) before I knew about that Evil Arts bugged Westwood to finish the game; If Evil Arts never bought C&C and all its stuff, we would have a lot better C&C games today, C&C 3 doesn't deserve the title of C&C in my opinion. How can you hate the company that orginally started the franchise? I HATE people who think Evil Arts do a better job than Westwood. I'm playing good old TS again and it feels A LOT better than 'C&C' 3.
Evil Arts should never been a part of C&C at all. That's final!

[KingByng]

Carnotaurus, if you don't like any of the games Westwood made, don't play them. Honestly, stop whining and do something constructive.

[Corsair]

(I agree with THAT guy ^)

This post has been edited by Corsair: May 26 2007, 06:29 PM

[Carnotaurus]

Lol. I have, actually. I made a nice, simple mod for TS that gets totally ignored on PPM. Well f*ck that mod, new day, new mod, new SPARTAAA.


(BTW I dont HATE WS's games, I just think TS fails when it could've been so much better.)

[Bittah Commander]

Once again, the only reason why TS wasn't so much better (because it really would've been) is because EA got involved in the middle of Tiberian Sun' development and Westwood was given a deadline they couldn't meet.

Hell, I don't care if a game is delayed for 2 years (just as long as it takes for the developers to be sattisfied), as long as the game itself meets the standards of the games that are released around the same time and nothing in the game seems to half-assed (things left out, bugs left in...).

[Warlord]

Evil Arts

LOL ^

But carno, you cannot honestly say EA did a better job than WW, please don't tell me thats what your saying or you are my greatest enemy.

Lets have a look at generals shall we:

> Generals had lots of bugs, including the annoying SCUD BUG!!
> It was just simply boring
> The units and buildings were rubbish

Now lets have a look at tib wars:

> No walls
> No growing tiberium
> Music is crap
> Could have been A LOT better
> Stupid nod MCV that looks like a bug!!
> The story is all over the place!!!

Now to westwoods games!

lets look at tiberian sun:

> Quite good graphic
> Good gameplay
> Fun
> Useful Units
> Original

Now we will look at red alert 2

> Bad graphics (mainly because of EA's specialty "rushing")
> Good gameplay
> Okay units
> Fun

And last but not least tiberian dawn

> Classic
> Original
> Fun
> Bad graphic (because its an old game and besides graphics arn't everything)
> Good gameplay

So really.. Which one is badder EA or westwood?

**END OF DISCUSSION**

This post has been edited by Warlord: May 29 2007, 02:05 PM

[Corsair]

Every game ever made could have been better, its just whether your willing to accept the "imperfections"... some can, some can't... either way, let's just get on with life

This post has been edited by Corsair: May 27 2007, 06:44 PM

[SeekSomethingNew]

simple fact, you are not going to get anything out of the EALA Dev Team, they are not interested in Pre C&C3 Games now...

[Tore]

for useless things like WALLS(Oh God.)

You are useless!

About the walls: People think only about walls and engineers but in TD the walls does not only protect you from engineers. It protects you from minigunners, buggys, hum-wees, chemical warriors, and flametrowers. with AGTs or obelisks behind the walls, the wall protects the AGTs or OGTs from tank shells. So the next time someone say the walls are useless in every C&C game think again. (this also includes RA1 and TS)

I just had to write that before someone said: "The walls are useless in every C&C game!"

we got blue tiberium

Blue tiberium isn't all.

among our other wins

Like what?

This post has been edited by Tore: May 30 2007, 09:53 AM

[Warlord]

I think this topic should be locked, because its just turning into an arguement.

[Crash]

among our other wins

I'd understand if you referred to "among our other losses", here's a list of things that are bad

1) The name sucks! It means nothing special
2) The selection voices are childish and exegerrated
3) What happened to the disruptors, cyborgs, firestorm walls, disc throwers, titans, wolwerines, artilleries, rocket infantry, mutants, tick tanks, banshees, orca bomber, orca fighter, carryalls, dropships, amphibious APC's, mammoth mk II's, sensor towers, multi missiles, checmical missiles, hover mrls, EMP cannons, component towers, veins, fona, laser fence posts, mutants, and more? EA didn't tell any sence to go backwards in technology, which it really seems like.
4) The videos are cheezy, everything is cheezy. The actors act bad and they don't act like if it were c&c
5) boooooooring missions
6) booooooooring multiplayer maps, only symmtrical ones
7) the controls aren't like they were supposed to be
8) I'm sure I've forgotten something

read through this thread aswell. If you still don't agree, I've failed making you hate TW

This post has been edited by Crash-King: May 31 2007, 01:33 PM

[Warlord]

If you still don't agree, I've failed making you hate TW

I thought you said it was an okay game?

[Robo fish]

I'd understand if you referred to "among our other losses", here's a list of things that are bad

1) The name sucks! It means nothing special
2) The selection voices are childish and exegerrated
3) What happened to the disruptors, cyborgs, firestorm walls, disc throwers, titans, wolwerines, artilleries, rocket infantry, mutants, tick tanks, banshees, orca bomber, orca fighter, carryalls, dropships, amphibious APC's, mammoth mk II's, sensor towers, multi missiles, checmical missiles, hover mrls, EMP cannons, component towers, veins, fona, laser fence posts, mutants, and more? EA didn't tell any sence to go backwards in technology, which it really seems like.
4) The videos are cheezy, everything is cheezy. The actors act bad and they don't act like if it were c&c
5) boooooooring missions
6) booooooooring multiplayer maps, only symmtrical ones
7) the controls aren't like they were supposed to be
8) I'm sure I've forgotten something

read through this thread aswell. If you still don't agree, I've failed making you hate TW

1) I totally agree
2) They are exagerated but not childish
3) They "evolve" supposely and EA explained that it was because of lack of funds and governement inspections (Lame excuse)
4) No, they are ok and even better than TS.
5) Heck no!
6) Heck yes!
7) Yes they were supposed to be like that, it only not like any other C&C game.
8) To list a little bit of them :
- What did the mutant becamed?
- Since when an Ion cannon blast take out a Whole damn base.
- Compared to the Terrain in TS, TW have a non-infected oxymoron terrain which was not the case in TS.

Still, I think this could become a great game to mod even if Some think it just plain suck.

[Bittah Commander]

2) The way I see it, exaggeration = childish.
4) You can't possibly mean that... I'd almost think you haven't seen the TS video's, because even though they're a lot older, TS's video's are at least 4 times as good as C&C3's.
5) Heck yes...

And indeed, a mod could make it a lot better.

[Warlord]

tib wars isn't a bad game really.. Just a REALLY f*ckED UP C&C..

1) I agree crap name

2) They acted the same as TS imo

3) i second robofish

4) I strongly disagree

5) Not really

6) Yes kind of

7) I find the new controls very annoying

8) Lots of things!

-No Walls
-No Mutants
-No Veinholes
-Ground should look somewhat like TS but it doesn't!
-The ioncannon destroys a whole base!
-Cheezy nod buildings

[tetnis shot ninj...]

look, TW probably isnt as good of a game as it could have been. Ive never played it so i dont know but from what ive seen and heard it doesnt look or sound nearly as good as it could have been. there seems like theres no originality in the game. the most original thing i heard was that the artiliery could bounce off the helicopters or somthing like that. now maybe if EA put time and effort into their games, which no one can tell me they do, then the game would have most likely been a ton better. just look at the vids for starcraft 2 and then you will see what a good game looks like when you have a good team working on it and they take their time to make sure its good.

[Slender Mang]

that the artiliery could bounce off the helicopters

An upgrade for the venom so the laser tanks could shoot off soem kind of mirror or defelctive armor then it hits the enemy

[Mighty BOB!]

8) I'm sure I've forgotten something

Music "tracks" suck.

[DonutArnold]

They forgot to make the so famous "music player" for C&C3!?

[harbringer]

I'd understand if you referred to "among our other losses", here's a list of things that are bad

1) The name sucks! It means nothing special
2) The selection voices are childish and exegerrated
3) What happened to the disruptors, cyborgs, firestorm walls, disc throwers, titans, wolwerines, artilleries, rocket infantry, mutants, tick tanks, banshees, orca bomber, orca fighter, carryalls, dropships, amphibious APC's, mammoth mk II's, sensor towers, multi missiles, checmical missiles, hover mrls, EMP cannons, component towers, veins, fona, laser fence posts, mutants, and more? EA didn't tell any sence to go backwards in technology, which it really seems like.
4) The videos are cheezy, everything is cheezy. The actors act bad and they don't act like if it were c&c
5) boooooooring missions
6) booooooooring multiplayer maps, only symmtrical ones
7) the controls aren't like they were supposed to be
8) I'm sure I've forgotten something

read through this thread aswell. If you still don't agree, I've failed making you hate TW

woah mate,

1: take any other game and what does the name mean? tiberian sun. wow, a sun and some green junk. quake. wow, an earthquake...
2: definitely not childish. same as tiberian sun, better quality though.
3: erm rocket inf, mutants, orcas, carryalls, dropships and mutants again, are still there, just different is all. besides, half those other things sucked.
4: the videos rock. they got real actors this time.
5: the missions remain true to the spirit of strategy, and cnc. defend this 'til so and so arrives, blow up these, to let these guys get in...
6: symmetrical isnt necessarily bad.
7: meh, right click, left click, wowee
8: no, you havent.

sorry im a little late, this just annoyed me, the game isnt that bad... and if you really want walls, get the walls mod. i hardly ever use them anyway

[Nintyuk]

1: take any other game and what does the name mean? tiberian sun. wow, a sun and some green junk. quake. wow, an earthquake...

yes but the reason were upset is it dosent fit in with the other games:
tiberium dawn
tiberium sun
tiberium wars; huh? what the hell what were the other things if they wernt wars?
tiberium twlite is what it should of been

[eXit]

*Cough*
Tiberian* Dawn
Tiberian* Sun
Tiberium Wars
Tiberium Twlite (WTF?)

Just adding Sun or Dawn isn't the most original idea also.

This post has been edited by eXit: Jul 2 2007, 11:07 PM

[Robo fish]

*Cough*
Tiberian* Dawn
Tiberian* Sun
Tiberium Wars
Tiberium Twlite (WTF?)

Just adding Sun or Dawn isn't the most original idea also.

Oh because Tiberium Wars is better?
The first 2 C&C were "Tiberium wars" but this wasn't there name they were called Tiberian Dawn and Sun.