Original Scrin concept art Options

[Lightstorm]

I'm lazy here's the site with the rest of it:
click here

This post has been edited by Lightstorm: May 30 2007, 11:01 PM

[Bittah Commander]

Nice find, Lightstorm


If you look at the file name of this image, it does say it's a city... The texture you see at the bottom (right under the "roller coaster track") seems very similar to that of the Scrinship in TS (and if my assumptions are correct, Kane used the materials from the Scrinship the Scrin rebels crashed to earth with to build or rebuild the Scrinship you see in TS), so this might indeed be actually a Scrin city.


This looks like the unit and infantry around it could be either CABAL or Scrin units... My bet would go for the Scrin though (since I expect CABAL to have infantry similar to the cyborgs in TS).


Ishmael commented on this image at somewhere at the Petroglyph forums:

Yeah, that was a concept for the Primal. It's not a ship, it's a creature.

Ishmael's comments:

That was EVE, the female Cyborg Commando, running through a GDI soldier as one of the GDI commandos readies to fire at her.

It was a CABAL unit.

Mullins does amazing work.

So we already have our CABAL commando unit

[Lightstorm]

we're using cabal now too? weee!

[jadems]

How mad are those!! But how does CABAL fit in with the Scrin in pt1 or the Scrin vs humans in pt2?

[I_Am]

Ishmael commented on this image at somewhere at the Petroglyph forums:
QUOTE(Ishmael-PG)Yeah, that was a concept for the Primal. It's not a ship, it's a creature.

If im not mistaken that looks alot like the mauler from BattleZone:2.


This post has been edited by I_Am: May 31 2007, 01:46 AM

[Lightstorm]

I am that thing you posted looks more mechanical and has shorter arms, the primal looks like an evolved floater.

Jadems: in WW original designs cabal is fighting everyone too. question is whether we are willing to make ANOTHER side for this mod. I''d male Cabal, give him a few unique units and have him fight on some levels but don't make him a full blown side.

[ChielScape]

How mad are those!! But how does CABAL fit in with the Scrin in pt1 or the Scrin vs humans in pt2?

in this thread i posted my ideas for storyline, involving CABAL. plz read the entire topic.
http://www.tiberiumweb.com/forums/index.ph...c=1959&st=0

[Bittah Commander]

CABAL of course won't be present until part 2...

FWIW, there were 5 eventual factions planned when we were talking about C&C3 it back at WW: GDI, Nod, Scrin (first release), Forgotten (expansion 1), CABAL (expansion 2).

If we want to follow this, we could actually release 2 more parts (each adding another faction; first the Forgotten and then CABAL).

[Team Black]

I'm thinking three parts might be best - the 3rd part it might be best to have CABAL and the mutants as playable factions.

[ChielScape]

cabal and mutants as playable factions are difficult to make, and many mods are proof of this.
a lot of time would need to be invested in designing, balancing, etc.

[Team Black]

true. We'll complete part 1 and 2, then if we feel up to it, we can have a go at the mutants and stuff.
Till then, CABAL and Mutants could just be side factions, not quite playable, althogh they can be somewhat featured in singleplayer

[Bittah Commander]

From the quote in my last post it's clear that there would actually be 3 campaigns (since each expansion pack usually features a new campaign). So, in Westwood's first campaign (which probably wouldn't start off on the Scrin planet like ours), First the Scrin would arrive on earth and there'd be a war involving GDI, Nod and the Scrin. Then, in the Second campaign, the Scrin still not have been defeated and the Forgotten make their appearance, who prove to be also a very great thread to the Scrin (possibly even a greater thread than GDI and Nod). Even after this second campaign the Scrin have not been defeated (possibly they just keep sending reinforcements from their planet or something...) and CABAL makes his appearance. CABAL re-emerges with a cyborg faction (what exactly is meant by that I don't know) and then attempts to conquer both humanity (like before) and the Scrin.

I assume that in this third campaign, the Scrin would be defeated. We don't know by who; either GDI or Nod or the Forgotten. It's even possible it's really CABAL who defeats the Scrin... CABAL might even manage to get to the Scrin planet and in the sequel to Tiberian Incursion we'd see instead of a Scrinvasion, a Cyber Scrinvasion

The Scrin didn't account for what effect Tiberium would have on some humans (i.e. the forgotten). They thought it would kill all humans off, but unfortunately, some that were exposed survived and actually began to be able to harness Tiberium's energies themselves. They turned out to be humankind's most powerful weapon against the Scrin, since they could control Tiberium in a way the Scrin could not, making them a huge threat. The forgotten were going to become a full faction in the expansion for the game.

I think the Forgotten just might be the key weapon against the Scrin...

Now if you think about CABAL... His personality is based on Kane's, who has set his mind on conquering everything (he's been attempting to do this for as far as we know since Red Alert). All Kane Focussed on was Earth however and until somewhere in TS CABAL felt the same. The Tacitus might have shown CABAL that there's actually a lot more than just Earth. The possibility is that CABAL wants to conquer it all... With this in mind, it seems unlikely for CABAL to keeps his primary base on earth. To me it seems likely that CABAL would at least try to leave earth, take over another planet or at least the moon or possibly he'd build his own space station/ship.

[ChielScape]

i personally CABAL is the key. he has all info from the tacitus, and knows most about the scrin and tiberium.
i honestly dont see how the mutants are even remotely capable of hurting the scrin, as the mutonts dont know anything about either tiberium or the scrin. if they did, they wouldnt be suffering and struggling as they are now. they dont even have their own technology, and probably not much knowledge about GDI's and Nod's. they just fight to survive, its all they can do.
they only reason why they are usefull in certain missions is because they are scavengers, and have technology from both large factions (and perhaps some old CABAL units) which may be used tactically in combination with ones own units.

this is why I have said before, in the "theme of the mod"-thread, that both factions should rush for CABAL's tech in order to actually stand a chance against the scrin. whether or not he comes back in a third part, pulling another firestorm, doesnt matter right now. we havent even started working on the first part yet.
i like what you said about CABAL in space, though.

anyway, as always, what ive said is just my 2 ct, and I just hope you all agree. ;P

[Bittah Commander]

Well, who is to say the Forgotten wouldn't drastically have changed in Tiberian Incursion? The Forgotten would have been living with the tiberium for quite a while at that time, so it wouldn't be that odd if they would have gotten to understand it even better than either GDI or Nod. Like Ishmael said, they would turn out to be humans most powerful weapon against the Scrin. Ishmael also said the Forgotten would be a fully grown faction in Tiberian Incursion, so I don't think they'd be scavengers anymore.

[Team Black]

So would this mean a change in the theme? three parts,
1: Scrin (the invasion, with GDI and nod)
2: Forgotten
3: Cabal

then ditch the Scrin vs. rebels entirely?
Or
Just make it a special mini prologue campaign on the side in part 1, both with the same tech?

[jadems]

Ohh, okay, my bad.
How bout' CABAL joins someone else, seeing as he is a smart AI, he'll probably see the benefits of joining a faction. Maybe the Scrin, to make them more powerful?

[Lightstorm]

I'd say Nod.

[Bittah Commander]

It was already pointed out that in Tiberian Incursion CABAL would attempt to not only conquer GDI and Nod, but the Scrin as well. I think that prettymuch closes out him joining with any other faction, aside from the faction that was already said he'd merge with; a Cyborg faction (actually, Ishmael said he'd re-merge with a cyborg faction, but I still don't understand where he was going with that...).

I personally think it'd be best if the first few Scrin missions would be against the Scrin rebels (just like in TS; Slavik vs Hassan) and the Scrin Rebel missions would be like a prologue.

[Team Black]

So let it be written, so let it be done.

[ChielScape]

Well, who is to say the Forgotten wouldn't drastically have changed in Tiberian Incursion? The Forgotten would have been living with the tiberium for quite a while at that time, so it wouldn't be that odd if they would have gotten to understand it even better than either GDI or Nod. Like Ishmael said, they would turn out to be humans most powerful weapon against the Scrin. Ishmael also said the Forgotten would be a fully grown faction in Tiberian Incursion, so I don't think they'd be scavengers anymore.

It was already pointed out that in Tiberian Incursion CABAL would attempt to not only conquer GDI and Nod, but the Scrin as well. I think that prettymuch closes out him joining with any other faction, aside from the faction that was already said he'd merge with; a Cyborg faction (actually, Ishmael said he'd re-merge with a cyborg faction, but I still don't understand where he was going with that...).

I personally think it'd be best if the first few Scrin missions would be against the Scrin rebels (just like in TS; Slavik vs Hassan) and the Scrin Rebel missions would be like a prologue.

i was thinking mutants shouldnt have any power, as it doesnt seem to be what westwood wanted. but in chemistry class i came up with an awesome storyline, involving the mutants.
this might not be the right place, so i'll link to this post in the theme topic.

XXXX years ago, a war began. not between humans, but between aliens of a race that is know on earth as the scrin. the war has been raging for too long to remember what the cause was. all that is known is that they are fighting. according to the tacitus, the scrin sent tiberium to earth. the humans initially thought it was to prepare an invasion, but they would later find out the real reason. it was a risky attempt to prepare the humans for what was to come. the scrin rebels came to earth to get help in fighting against the scrin, as they were planning a full scale invasion of the rebel home planets. soon the scrin found out the rebels went to earth and followed them.

at first, the rebels were thought to be "the scrin". this is true, but not the complete truth. contact was quickly made with GDI, which decided to help in return for technology. the other scrin (badguys) appeared shortly after, and as Nod was desperate, they offered to help the scrin also in return for technology.
both GDI and Nod have formed an alliance with aliens, resulting in a 2v2 battle. though this would not last for long. Kane merged with CABAL, and with the complete data from the tacitus is able to strike the aliens weak points.*
Mutants, still desperate to survive, also got hold of basic CABAL tech when he was offline. they thought forming an alliance with GDI would be the only way to survive, and perhaps even find a cure. GDI gladly accepted the offer, as Nod had an advantage with CABAL.**

*: in nod campain, the scrin will think Nod is trying to fight both scrin factions and invade their planets. (this is indeed kane's plan)
the scrin will turn against nod and it would be a nice last mission(s) to take over the scrin faction, and capturing the main planet.
**: both CABAL and the mutants will only provide some units that can be used strategically, in certain missions.