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[Devastator]

There is the "How is the Red Alert and Tiberian universes related?" thread but this is general discussion about the RA series.

So use this thread to talk about the Red Alert series, I suppose.

Alright, go on and hate on me, but I prefer RA2 over RA1

This post has been edited by Pepsi: Apr 22 2012, 12:41 AM

[Bittah Commander]

I agree RA1 is better than RA2 in every way except for modding. The fact RA2 completely lost its seriousness is what puts me off; its often argued that RA1 was already a bit less serious than TD, but RA2 just completely overdoes the sillyness in every single aspect (story, voice acting, mission briefing videos and the ingame graphics look like Roller Coaster Tycoon with tanks) and with RA3 it even went further downhill.

To me RA1 is simply the prequel to TD (with no RA2 or RA3 in between; which is what Westwood intended to begin with) and although it's still quite fun to play, I think TD's gameplay is still a bit better since its factions are balanced a bit better against one another.

[Rampastring]

I think TD's gameplay is still a bit better since its factions are balanced a bit better against one another.

I've always had a mixed feeling of RA1's balance. While Soviet's tanks and V2s are much more powerful than the Allied units, the Allies have things like the GPS Satellite and powerful navy units. It depends a bit on the map I think. But I agree, TD is probably the most balanced C&C.

TD is no better, the Nod bikes can even outrun tank shells, and an APC loaded with engineers is unstoppable early on (this would be more balanced if either the APC or the engineers had the communication center as their prerequisite). Hence why everyone condems the APC in online multiplayer.

Dodging tank shells with Bikes requires some migromanagement. I think they're fine in TD, at least they're not useless like the TS bikes. The bikes are also crushable, so they cannot do much against a large army of tanks.

I've never seen an APC + engineer rush in TD, but I think it's counterable in some way, at least with Unit Count on 10 (which is the only setting I play with anyway).

This post has been edited by ^Rampastein: Sep 16 2010, 03:59 PM

[Lin Kuei Ominae]

I agree with everything Bittah said. RA2 is much worse than RA1.

However RA1 is in several aspects even worse than TD and i never understood why they ruined these
-Tanks firing on infantry were inaccurate in TD giving infantry a much higher lifetime (especially rocket infantry). In RA1 they always hit 100%
-The tanks firing and hit sounds were horrible annoying (like someone playing with marbles and their recorded sounds bass raised). This was one of the first things i modded back to the TD sounds, when i got access to the XCC utils.
-SAM site is always out of the bunker. I loved the bunker logic in TD and miss it in every C&C ever since TD.
-The mammoth always uses the missiles against infantry, and not only when turning the turret towards the target like in TD. Thus the Mammoth became completely unbalanced and overpowered against rocket infantry.
-The ore mine (replacing the tiberium tree) was looking horribly undetailed. No animation and no good design.

However RA1 had also some cool new features like the improved aircraft, ships and additional/new superweapons.

This post has been edited by Lin Kuei Ominae: Sep 17 2010, 03:27 PM

[Rampastring]

-Tanks firing on infantry were inaccurate in TD giving infantry a much higher lifetime (especially rocket infantry). In RA1 they always hit 100%

Don't tanks do less damage to infantry in RA1 though? Although I think that TD was more realistic and better.

-The tanks firing and hit sounds were horrible annoying (like someone playing with marbles and their recorded sounds bass raised). This was one of the first things i modded back to the TD sounds, when i got access to the XCC utils.

I love both RA1 and TD sounds, haven't got anything to complain about them. TS sounds were a bit worse (although still good) but since RA2 the sounds have been quite boring.

-The mammoth always uses the missiles against infantry, and not only when turning the turret towards the target like in TD. Thus the Mammoth became completely unbalanced and overpowered against rocket infantry.

With heavy tanks and other things doing more damage than in TD I actually find the Mammoth quite useless in RA1. Requires more tech than Heavy Tanks, deals less damage than two heavy tanks, is much slower and costs more.

-The ore mine (replacing the tiberium tree) was looking horribly undetailed. No animation and no good design.

Well, as Nyer said the whole ore thing was quite ridiculous. Although it's understandable that they didn't want to change the resource harvesting system they made in TD.

A bike is cheaper than a light tank, and much, much faster. No one buys light tanks if you can get bikes, as you can perform lightning fast hit & run attacks. I understand that if you are GDI, you should get medium tanks, as they can outrange the bikes and deal impressive damage. You never get to crush them, unless the player using them isn't paying any attention to them.

I still buy light tanks and flame tanks to support SSM launchers in some situations. While bikes are good for hit & run attacks, it's hard to get past multiple advanced guard towers with them (which SSM launchers do well when supported).