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post Jun 26 2008, 04:10 PM
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QUOTE ("Mark Sherman @ Associated Press Writer")
WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court ruled Thursday that Americans have a right to own guns for self-defense and hunting, the justices' first major pronouncement on gun rights in U.S. history.

The court's 5-4 ruling struck down the District of Columbia's 32-year-old ban on handguns as incompatible with gun rights under the Second Amendment. The decision went further than even the Bush administration wanted, but probably leaves most firearms laws intact.

The court had not conclusively interpreted the Second Amendment since its ratification in 1791. The amendment reads: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

The basic issue for the justices was whether the amendment protects an individual's right to own guns no matter what, or whether that right is somehow tied to service in a state militia.

Writing for the majority, Justice Antonin Scalia said that an individual right to bear arms is supported by "the historical narrative" both before and after the Second Amendment was adopted.

The Constitution does not permit "the absolute prohibition of handguns held and used for self-defense in the home," Scalia said. The court also struck down Washington's requirement that firearms be equipped with trigger locks or kept disassembled, but left intact the licensing of guns.

In a dissent he summarized from the bench, Justice John Paul Stevens wrote that the majority "would have us believe that over 200 years ago, the Framers made a choice to limit the tools available to elected officials wishing to regulate civilian uses of weapons."

He said such evidence "is nowhere to be found."

Justice Stephen Breyer wrote a separate dissent in which he said, "In my view, there simply is no untouchable constitutional right guaranteed by the Second Amendment to keep loaded handguns in the house in crime-ridden urban areas."

Joining Scalia were Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Samuel Alito, Anthony Kennedy and Clarence Thomas. The other dissenters were Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg and David Souter.

Gun rights supporters hailed the decision. "I consider this the opening salvo in a step-by-step process of providing relief for law-abiding Americans everywhere that have been deprived of this freedom," said Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the National Rifle Association.

The NRA will file lawsuits in San Francisco, Chicago and several of its suburbs challenging handgun restrictions there based on Thursday's outcome.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., a leading gun control advocate in Congress, criticized the ruling. "I believe the people of this great country will be less safe because of it," she said.

The capital's gun law was among the nation's strictest.

Dick Anthony Heller, 66, an armed security guard, sued the District after it rejected his application to keep a handgun at his home for protection in the same Capitol Hill neighborhood as the court.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia ruled in Heller's favor and struck down Washington's handgun ban, saying the Constitution guarantees Americans the right to own guns and that a total prohibition on handguns is not compatible with that right.

The issue caused a split within the Bush administration. Vice President Dick Cheney supported the appeals court ruling, but others in the administration feared it could lead to the undoing of other gun regulations, including a federal law restricting sales of machine guns. Other laws keep felons from buying guns and provide for an instant background check.

Scalia said nothing in Thursday's ruling should "cast doubt on long-standing prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons or the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings."

In a concluding paragraph to the his 64-page opinion, Scalia said the justices in the majority "are aware of the problem of handgun violence in this country" and believe the Constitution "leaves the District of Columbia a variety of tools for combating that problem, including some measures regulating handguns."

The law adopted by Washington's city council in 1976 bars residents from owning handguns unless they had one before the law took effect. Shotguns and rifles may be kept in homes, if they are registered, kept unloaded and either disassembled or equipped with trigger locks.

Opponents of the law have said it prevents residents from defending themselves. The Washington government says no one would be prosecuted for a gun law violation in cases of self-defense.

The last Supreme Court ruling on the topic came in 1939 in U.S. v. Miller, which involved a sawed-off shotgun. Constitutional scholars disagree over what that case means but agree it did not squarely answer the question of individual versus collective rights.

Forty-four state constitutions contain some form of gun rights, which are not affected by the court's consideration of Washington's restrictions.

The case is District of Columbia v. Heller, 07-290.



Original Article:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080626/ap_on_..._co/scotus_guns

well its about time they saw the light. even though it was a dicey 5-4 decision it is a landmark victory. For those of you who do not know I have always been a firearms enthusiast and a rabid supporter of the right to bare arms. So please discuss your views on this I will respect any contrary opinion to mine as long as its well written and as long as it isn't flaming.

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post Jun 28 2008, 03:27 PM
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well personally I feel that having the ability to own a gun and ammo for said gun if you so wish to should always be allowed and held as a right. However, the usage of said weapon is what should be limited. Though to limit something like that is of course a hard task to do. So of course there should be big consequences if the guns are used in unappropriated times.
That is all I am going to say about that for now.

I agree with DvD on the drug thing. It seems to me that with most things if it is illegal then people will be pushed more to do such a thing. At least with consumable things. This is shown through the days of Prohibition in the US. They banned alcohol and then it became a big trafficking (is that spelled with a k firefox spell checker says it is right) business for gangsters just like the illegal drugs are now.


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- BloodReign   Victory   Jun 26 2008, 04:10 PM
- - ChielScape   everyone owning a gun who doesnt need it for his w...   Jun 26 2008, 05:14 PM
- - Nod Strike   tl;dr too long; didn't read.   Jun 27 2008, 08:34 AM
- - Cortez   Enough memes and Internet speak. Post something co...   Jun 27 2008, 11:04 PM
- - Scorch   My dad owns two guns, an M4 and a 9mm. He can...   Jun 28 2008, 02:24 AM
- - DeathRay2K   Regular people have no place owning guns. The seco...   Jun 28 2008, 12:47 PM
|- - Scorch   QUOTE (DeathRay2K @ Jun 28 2008, 06:47 AM...   Jun 28 2008, 07:35 PM
- - Nod Strike   I agree with DR2k. IMO, there is no need for guns ...   Jun 28 2008, 02:05 PM
- - The DvD   It's just what one's used to seeing around...   Jun 28 2008, 02:35 PM
- - The DvD   I can understand the point of view that people sho...   Jun 28 2008, 04:42 PM
- - Nod Strike   Italy did this with alcahol too. They are much les...   Jun 28 2008, 05:54 PM
- - CrashKing   I restate what I said on PPM: "If nobody aro...   Jun 28 2008, 09:23 PM
|- - The Raven   QUOTE (CrashKing @ Jun 28 2008, 04:23 PM)...   Jun 29 2008, 02:20 PM
|- - CrashKing   QUOTE (The Raven @ Jun 29 2008, 04:20 PM)...   Jun 30 2008, 05:57 AM
|- - Ixith   QUOTE (CrashKing @ Jun 30 2008, 01:57 AM)...   Jun 30 2008, 10:15 AM
- - Nod Strike   But that's the point. If the 2nd ammendment di...   Jun 29 2008, 03:33 PM
|- - Ixith   QUOTE (Nod Strike @ Jun 29 2008, 11:33 AM...   Jun 29 2008, 04:16 PM
|- - Corsair   QUOTE (Nod Strike @ Jun 29 2008, 11:33 AM...   Jun 30 2008, 04:09 AM
- - Scorch   As Albert Einstein once said, "As long as the...   Jun 29 2008, 08:34 PM
- - Nod Strike   If so many people got hurt in that, then why could...   Jun 30 2008, 07:15 AM
- - CrashKing   QUOTE ("Ixith")I actually disagree. In s...   Jul 2 2008, 08:39 PM
|- - Ixith   QUOTE (CrashKing @ Jul 2 2008, 04:39 PM) ...   Jul 2 2008, 10:43 PM
|- - BloodReign   QUOTE (CrashKing @ Jul 2 2008, 04:39 PM) ...   Jul 3 2008, 12:36 PM
- - Aurora196   I just needed to comment, since I'm against th...   Jul 3 2008, 12:38 PM
|- - Ixith   QUOTE (Aurora196 @ Jul 3 2008, 08:38 AM) ...   Jul 3 2008, 04:08 PM
- - BloodReign   We've had gang problems for I think 40 years...   Jul 3 2008, 03:32 PM
- - BloodReign   I am a Boy Scout and before any troops shoot they ...   Jul 3 2008, 04:35 PM
- - Aurora196   I didn't exactly know that gangs were such a b...   Jul 3 2008, 05:12 PM
- - The Raven   Let me put it this way. I've lived in, or less...   Jul 3 2008, 05:33 PM
|- - Corsair   Well said Ixith and Bloodreign--minus the part abo...   Jul 3 2008, 05:51 PM
- - BloodReign   "resocialising programs" have been tried...   Jul 3 2008, 05:44 PM
- - Aurora196   As I already said: I understand that someone wants...   Jul 3 2008, 07:13 PM
|- - Corsair   QUOTE (Aurora196 @ Jul 3 2008, 03:13 PM) ...   Jul 3 2008, 07:26 PM
|- - BloodReign   QUOTE (Aurora196 @ Jul 3 2008, 03:13 PM) ...   Jul 3 2008, 07:33 PM
|- - Ixith   QUOTE (Aurora196 @ Jul 3 2008, 03:13 PM) ...   Jul 3 2008, 07:54 PM
- - Aurora196   Yeah, but I think it still needs to be harder, wit...   Jul 3 2008, 08:44 PM
|- - Scorch   QUOTE (Albert Einstein @ Apr 18 1992 (gue...   Jul 4 2008, 02:27 AM
- - Nod Strike   QUOTE (Scorch @ Jul 4 2008, 03:27 AM) You...   Jul 4 2008, 06:07 AM
- - Scorch   I was using that as an example.   Jul 4 2008, 06:40 AM
- - CrashKing   QUOTE (Corsair @ Jul 3 2008, 09:26 PM) Th...   Jul 4 2008, 04:00 PM
- - Aurora196   Also I wanted to add (forgot to mention) that in E...   Jul 4 2008, 07:54 PM
- - The DvD   The gang example only proves my point that human b...   Jul 5 2008, 05:55 PM
- - Ixith   QUOTE (CrashKing @ Jul 4 2008, 12:00 PM) ...   Jul 5 2008, 10:31 PM
- - CrashKing   I didn't exactly mean to forget it literally. ...   Jul 6 2008, 07:08 AM
- - The DvD   Gun control doesn't cost us anything at this p...   Jul 6 2008, 05:46 PM
- - daTSchikinhed   f*ck all of you. every one of you. You have all f...   Jul 8 2008, 09:03 PM
- - Cross   Lol daTs, there are only 6.7 billion people on the...   Jul 8 2008, 09:27 PM
|- - Ixith   QUOTE (Cross @ Jul 8 2008, 05:27 PM) I vo...   Jul 8 2008, 11:44 PM
- - daTSchikinhed   f*ck guns. Really? They're overrated. now sex...   Jul 9 2008, 02:17 AM
|- - Corsair   Dats is right, to get on with life it's enough...   Jul 9 2008, 03:13 AM
- - Scorch   I think that he just now started to think about hi...   Jul 9 2008, 03:14 PM
- - daTSchikinhed   Nope, just trying to lighted things up before I cl...   Jul 9 2008, 11:59 PM


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