Those awful mechs... Options

[Carnotaurus]

I really cant stand the idea of this mod doing what 90% of TS/FS mods do...building in the Post-Firestorm world...but, I am not here to gripe about that. Thats not my job. I do have another gripe.

Mechs.

Will these lumbering, impractical monstrosities be meandering around in this sleek, post TS world. If we are going to follow Westwood's intentions with making a good, proper C&C3, why not follow Westwood and remove these vile, impractical monstrosities. Ishmael himself said that Continuum/Tiberium Incursion would be parting from them...

GDI was going away from mechs, yes. There were still a few, but Nod had gotten so good at taking out the leg joints on them with infantry that the repair and construction costs became prohibitive and the design was ruled "impractical".

-Ishmael.

So why dont we? Im sure that we can see some creative implimentations of Tankery Daggery Doo in this mod. Hover tanks, anybody? Why not a deploying Mammoth Tank, too?

This post has been edited by Master Blackster: Jul 12 2007, 08:57 PM

[Carnotaurus]

WWII tanks were rather pathetic, especially American tanks. Shermans were notorious for brewing up after taking a shell from a German panzer. After the war, really, its best to lay a mine down or some sort of IED for the vehicle to run over. Killing tanks is much different today then in 1942, though the best way is through a mobility kill. Sure that will stop a tank from moving, BUT, the turret can still move in some cases, the mounted minigun caqn still be used for defense. You blow up a tank with an IED, its possible for the crew to survive. M1 Abrams tanks can take RPGs and keep kicking. The best way to destroy a tank is with a tank, not implimented devices.

Now lets blast a RPG into that Titan Mk2's leg.

Boom. with one support, that Titan is going to fall down onto its side, kill the crew, and be useless. Whats the loss here? A high-technology, expensive weapons platform is lost, thats a 120mm gun down the sh*tter, as well. All those crewmen who put in time at "mech academy" to learn how to command this mobile death trap are also dead. What have we done? lost 4 (at the least) men,a highly expensive weapon platform, and that 120mm cannon could, perhaps be commandeered by mutants or others, for use against us!

And about the Psych-warfare, its not so scary if you know you can blow it's leg out with one hit from your trusty RPG. Hell, Im sure a Panzerschreck could make work of a Titan. Now imagine how...bad, these mechs would be in urban warfare. In Stalingrad, German tanks may have had the stronger guns, sure, but they had little space to work in. A road surrounded by buildings on either side is cramped as-is, now lets throw gigantic chunks of buildings, craters, and lots of dead bodies around. Panzers are screwed. There could be Soviets hiding in any of those apartment buildings with anti-tank weapons, or radios, to give out the co-ordinates of your tank, and send in a volley of Katyusha rockets. Nevermind the Red Airforce flying around.

Now lets replace that low-level tank with a 20+ foot high mech, and change the teams to beloved GDI and Nod. Not only do you have to still worry about those guys encamped in the buildings, you have to watch your footing moreso then the tank. One fateful slip and you're going to be plowing into one of those apartment buildings yourself! Nevermind if Ned the Noddie gets a C4 charge and slaps it on your leg. Oh, those spotters? now directing artillery units, and the Nod Airforce is much faster and accurate then the Soviet airforce of '44 Stalingrad. Your mech is pretty much screwed.

[Corsair]

Well, mechs do have a bit of a silver lining

Tanks don't have the height, any troopers in a building waiting to drop a bomb on top of a tank would receive a nice surprise to be staring down the barrels of a mech looking right through their window

However, the legs on a mech are dangerously unstable, they require precise movements and when an IED goes off that destroys that precise stability... in reality if it were a light mech running or even walking in the street, it would be pretty damn hard to hit the legs with a rocket... you could only really hope to just blast it with a roadside bomb, but those have the capability to take out a tank just as well

However, armored vehicles like tanks don't usually venture into populated cities as it is, those areas are for infantry and recon vehicles, so if you were to send armored vehicles (mechs or tanks) into a city during wartime with buildings that are forty plus stories tall then your only asking to be defeated

So what I'm saying, if you were really looking to make mechs in real life (or a realistic mod), it should only ever be a light mech

Heavier mechs could not hope to take on the trusty tanks, or the agility of the infantry

However, this is a game, as I've said... realism doesn't have to apply

(By the way, we had the tanks to rival Germany back in WWII, but our Generals were impatient SOBs and wanted to get into the fight, so they rushed production of the Sherman and so in turn our tank battalions almost always got stomped by their German counterparts - not to mention some of the "generals" didn't even know the differences between anti-tanks and regular tanks )

This post has been edited by Corsair: Jul 12 2007, 06:41 PM