Abstainance-till-marriage, Split from the 'Virgin joke topic' Options

[Team Black]

If I were to change perspectives though to the pharmacist...
If I were him I wouldn't want some dipsick going around planning sex with my daugter behind my back.
Some cock-headed kid is going to risk STDs, pregnancy, emotional instability (if the relationship broke up..), the relationship itself (if the parents found out and they did)- with her just so they can break their @#$% virginity together.
That kid had better pray..he's meeting his maker tonight.

Me I'm a supporter of abstainance-till-marriage, I don't forsee myself ever facing the possibility of a situation like that.

This post has been edited by Team Black: Feb 1 2007, 02:14 AM

[Team Black]

Yeah we can do a topic split if you want.

Just to make it better known where I stand & why I feel that way..I believe this is a very important subject

First of all there are the reasons I mentoned in the other post
STDs and pregnancy being the most well known reasons for abstainance, but I won't go into those because I bet you've all been breifed exhaustively on the STD
Epidemic by your teachers since grade 5. Yes, oral sex has its risks as well

Also extreemely important to consider is the relationship itself. I hold a strong regard for sexual purity and a great respect for the relationship between a man and a woman.
Off the top of my head, these scripture come to mind:
1 Thessalonians 4:3-4 "For this is the will of God, your sanctiication: that you should abstain from sexual immorality; that each of you know how to [act in a way of] sanctification and honor."
2 Timothy 2:22 "Flee also youthful lusts; but pursue righteousness, faith, love, peace with those who call on the Lord with a pure heart"
Genisis 2:24 "Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh"

I believe sex is not something to be lightly tossed around, like some kind of hobby or recreational activity. Sex is a unification -not only physical, but spiritual- a unification of 2 spirits. Now if the relationship were to separate, the connection is forced to break, causing alot of problems and stress and what not, a "void".
In marriage (a REAL marriage, the kind where the couple stays together), then such a separation isn't a problem, as well as the possibility of pregnancy because both the mother & father are there to raise the child.

people don't take marriage seriously at all these days! Divorces everywhere...

Very true, unfortunately. I could go further into the reasons I think why this is happening, but I don't want to get too offtopic. My views can prety much be found in my Love Paradox essay, basically I think it's because relationships are based nowaday's on "recieve-recieve", each person looking to see how much pleasure THEY can get from the relationship, rather than what can they give to the relationship for the SPOUSE'S pleasure...

I'm a Christian myself but that doesn't mean I won't have sex before marriage...

I'm sure you knew this already, but to those who weren't aware - A Christian is a representation of Christ. A follower of Christ. Not a club, not a nationality, not a baseball team, not a "group" to belong to. I'm sure those of you who are alleged "Christians" are not so because of their membership to a church, or because of their crucifix necklace, but because of their devotion to the teachings of Christ, and striving to live them.

God: "Noes! You wasted 10^10 sperm cells in your life that would've died anyhow!

I'm sure you knew already, but sperm-cell saving is NOT a goal of most people who practice abstainance-until-marriage.

Now you shall burn! *Dumm-dumm-dumm-dummmmm* "

To those who weren't aware, the threat of Hell is NOT the motivation for Christians to follow the teachings of Christ - It's primarily the desire to please God, the knowledge that following Christ will live to a more full & joyful live, (i.e. by practicing kindness to enemies, you're able to stay peaceful when otherwise you'd be wanting to fight - a very basic example)

if they're both virgins, the chance of them having STD's apart from herpes is pretty small, right? Especially when they're using condoms.

yes you are correct, the potential for STD is minimal-to-none in that situation. ok I was wrong for that section of the argument. Although...
Chances are that this won't be their only time having sex.. there are hardly cases of "just once". It makes an adiction, if they were to split up, chances are that their next relationships would be sexual, and so forth..increasing the potential for STD.

And why should two young people that love each other refrain from a sexual relationship if they're both ready?

That might depend on your definitions of "love" and "ready". By "love" in this case you would be referring to lust- the same feeling in fact, that you get eating chocolate..A desire for pleasure. As far as I know, every normal human being has a desire for sexual intercourse.
"ready", ready for what? ready to face consequences for their actions (like the kind I listed at the top), ready for pregnancy? I've heard that one before - one of my friends, in fact. She didn't mind the idea of pregnancy [i]before[i/] it happened, then all of the sudden she's with child and she falls apart. The father left her long ago, has @##$ for a job, and can hardly be able to pay child support.
Another thing is in a non-marriage relationship, pregnancy is seen as a problem; an unwanted surprise, and that SHOULDNT BE!!! Human life should never be seen an "inconvenience".
And if they are indeed "ready" - that is, if a pregnancy should happen, both parents have stable jobs, they would be able to support the child, why DON'T they get married?

Risking a ton of grief- possibly lifelong conseqences - just to have a freakin orgasm??? too impatient to wait for an established marriage, blinded by sexual desire, apathetic to the possibility of consequences, "it won't happen to me" type of thinking

Besides, it's a joke, not a debate, geez.

true, and I didn't mean offence to Aro by raining on his joke, but this is a subject I feel pretty strongly about, I just wanted to give another perspective on the situation..