The Poor SSM Launcher Options

[Devastator]

It feels bad that WW didn't include the SSM Launcher for Nod instead of using the GDI schemed Rocket Launcher.
I think it's only in Internet or LAN.

And the Nintendo64 version is the same as TD but no SSM.
The SSM wasn't that good but heres a photo of it.

[Crimsonum]

Nod does have the SSM launcher. It's not included in any of the Nod missions though because the TechLevel is not set high enough (don't know/remember the max value, but it defaults to this in multiplayer).

[Bittah Commander]

I've even had people complaining about it missing from DTA, but what most people don't seem to realize is that (both in TD and DTA's classic mode) you need to build an Obelisk before you can build the SSM Launcher.

[Crimsonum]

I didn't even remember it required an obelisk. Makes no sense, why would a napalm missile launcher need the technology of a high-powered laser to be available?

[Bittah Commander]

I never thought it made sense either (hence why I made the temple of Nod the prerequisite in enhanced mode instead), but that's really how it was in the original TD.

[Rampastring]

The SSM wasn't that good

I think it's one of the most important units Nod has since it can outrange Advanced Guard Towers (which would otherwise take many tanks or bikes to destroy). They're also fast and can easily escape if GDI sends an army of tanks after them (although AFAIK humvees catch them, so they need something to support them).

As Nod I usually build only a few normal rocket launchers because the SSM launcher can't shoot air units.

I agree that the Obelisk requirement makes no sense.. although I always build some Obelisks, so it doesn't affect gameplay.

[Tore]

The SSM is one of the greatest units Nod has. It can out range anything! Even Obelisks!

[Revolutionary]

The SSM is one of the greatest units Nod has. It can out range anything! Even Obelisks!

Its Ironic concidering it was originaly for GDI (the official guide to Command and conquer says so)

[Crimsonum]

and both the MLRS and Medium tank were for Nod, which is proven by their colour scheme in the cameos, appearance on Nod's side in FMVs and so on. SSM is my favourite unit after the Flame Tank in TD, I hope it had an introductory mission (in TDR maybe?).

[Devastator]

Yes, I admit the SSM Launcher shot the furthest of all Nod Units.
But it should never be alone as it's health is LOW...

Bittah, did you enhance the health in DTA?

I have TFD, but also the Nintendo64 version which is the original, but instead of internet had 4 special ops missions.

The SSM was not included ever, but it came in later versions I think...

WHY would it have Obelisk as prerequisite in DTA?
Temple makes more sense.

[Bittah Commander]

Because the point of the classic mode is to be an as identical as possible copy of TD, while the point of the Enhanced mode is to well.. enhance it. Also, yes, I did sort-of enhance the SSM Launcher int he Enhanced mode: I turned it into a Missile Launcher (so it can attack both ground based and airborne targets), while giving the Artillery an even longer range.

[Aro]

I didn't even remember it required an obelisk. Makes no sense, why would a napalm missile launcher need the technology of a high-powered laser to be available?

Just an excuse for it to take longer to acquire I assume, same with the Service Depot and Mammoth Tanks.

[Nyerguds]

The mammoth has auto-repair technology though, so that sort of does make sense.

and both the MLRS and Medium tank were for Nod, which is proven by their colour scheme in the cameos, appearance on Nod's side in FMVs and so on. SSM is my favourite unit after the Flame Tank in TD, I hope it had an introductory mission (in TDR maybe?).

Those don't prove anything... there's a yellow version of the Medium Tank render, and those icons were only made in '97 for C&C95 anyway.

This post has been edited by Nyerguds: Mar 26 2010, 05:33 PM

[Devastator]

It's only fair that it can attack air like GDI's MLRS.

C&C95, it was amazing when I first played it...
Yeah the differences...If I'm talking about DTA it should go in that forum...

[Nyerguds]

C&C95, it was amazing when I first played it...

It's still amazing dammit

[Revolutionary]

Those don't prove anything... there's a yellow version of the Medium Tank render, and those icons were only made in '97 for C&C95 anyway.

if the colour of the cameo was the army it belonged to then GDI had one hell of a army in the DOS version of TD

and agreed C&C95 is amazing

[OmegaBolt]

Those don't prove anything... there's a yellow version of the Medium Tank render, and those icons were only made in '97 for C&C95 anyway.

Well, in some prerelease screenshots there are Nod Medium Tanks.

TD is the best C&C, so yes its amazing... I'm just waiting for Nyer's next patch.

[Devastator]

I hate that I had the RA1 DOS. So somehow I'm actually glad I didn't have the comp version...

Nyer would say that, he makes patches for it!

[Tore]

RA1 DOS? There was no DOS only version of RA.

RA had both DOS and Win95 versions on one disk...

[Rampastring]

Nyer would say that, he makes patches for it!

Actually Hyper works on RA1 AFAIK, and Nyer works on C&C95.

[Devastator]

I need to be more specific...first off I had RA1 and it worked on my 95/98, but on by old XP it was crappy DOS.

And what I said about Nyer, check his last post where he quoted me.

I wasn't saying he worked on RA1. Check his sig!!!

[Rampastring]

I wasn't saying he worked on RA1. Check his sig!!!

Yes, I know that Nyer makes patches for C&C95 (as I said previously). However I misunderstood your post since you didn't include a quote of Nyer's post.

[Devastator]

It's still amazing dammit

Theres the quote...for when I said "When I first played C&C95 it was amazing!"

[Nyerguds]

Well, in some prerelease screenshots there are Nod Medium Tanks.

In the old screenshots, both sides had a lot of stuff in common, which was probably a leftover of the Dune II design, where all three sides were 90% identical. It seems the distinction between the armies of the 2 sides was only made later.

[Devastator]

I never really got why Nod was a blueish color.

[OmegaBolt]

Huh, they've always been grey...

[Devastator]

I thought of it as blue.
I guess bluish-grayish.

But GDI has always, and stayed Gold.

[Crimsonum]

In the old screenshots, both sides had a lot of stuff in common, which was probably a leftover of the Dune II design, where all three sides were 90% identical. It seems the distinction between the armies of the 2 sides was only made later.

Urgh, don't remind me of the golden light tanks in one of the FMVs >_< Nod also had the medium tank in the final GDI FMV where the temple blows up, and in those FMVs where Nod raids a village.

This post has been edited by Crimsonum: Apr 1 2010, 11:40 AM

[Devastator]

Are you talking about the last missions?

The one where Ion Cannon blows up temple with Kane inside?

[Crimsonum]

Yes. The tank wreckage in front of the Temple is a Medium Tank.

[Devastator]

I wondered why TS has those five buildings?
Crash 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5.

[OmegaBolt]

Erm, theyre crashed vehicles? It's called map detailing.

[Devastator]

I'm not sure what crashes 1, 2, and 5 are, but I know 3 is a stealth tank and 4 is probably a GDI APC.

[Crimsonum]

They are just wreckages. Who knows, maybe one of them are the remains of an alien craft.

[Daroach]

I'm not sure what crashes 1, 2, and 5 are, but I know 3 is a stealth tank and 4 is probably a GDI APC.

I thought one was a mammoth tank.

[Revolutionary]

I wondered why TS has those five buildings?
Crash 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5.

I think they are to accompany the old trashed TD buildings
Orca, tank(colour wise possbily nod), stealth tank, GDI apc, nod attack helecopter

put in for the same reason as the trashed mammoth mk2 or old nod power plant in TW

[Devastator]

Well yeah in the last GDI mission in TS you can see a crashed stealth tank by the wrecked nod buildings near the main base.

[Nyerguds]

I never really got why Nod was a blueish color.

Because bright red uniforms are plain retarded? Nod uses urban camo. THAT's the bluish colour.

[Crimsonum]

And yet TD had no urban warfare unless you count in a few tiny villages

[OmegaBolt]

Well in the reality of C&C there would of course be big cities. Besides that it just looks cool.

[Nyerguds]

C&C1 did indeed lack urban warfare, but that's because both sides had an interest in keeping out of big cities; Nod for their propaganda, and GDI, because, well, that's their job.

[Devastator]

There were a few civilians buildings, some missions had villages.

Though what was the deal with Visceroids not appearing?

[Nyerguds]

Not appearing? You obviously never played multiplayer. They pop up all the time.

[Devastator]

Yeah I never used any of that like wwchat.
Was that around when it came out?

I know C&C95, but I'm a TS modder.

[Nyerguds]

well wchat was only 1v1... we play up to 6v6 on CnCNet nowadays

[Devastator]

I need to learn more about TD. And even RA1, which is the first C&C I played.

[OmegaBolt]

Well unfortunately theres no decent RA1 map editor... even the TD one has its annoying limitations.

[Devastator]

The only download for the RA1 mapping tool doesn't work.

[Crimsonum]

Well unfortunately theres no decent RA1 map editor

There's RAED.

[OmegaBolt]

Which sucks IMO.

[Crimsonum]

Why, if I may ask?

[Devastator]

Why, if I may ask?

Yeah.
RA1 and TD are very closely related!
Why would the editors be much different?

[OmegaBolt]

Have you tried the editors...

IMO RAED is just clumsy and bad to use.

[Devastator]

Have you tried the editors...

And have you noticed that I got a broken TD WIP?

[OmegaBolt]

So you used the TD one, but not necessarily the RA one and yet you compared them. I'm wondering whether youve used them both, because they're not alike.

[Devastator]

Maybe the editors aren't but TD and RA1 are very related. I have played both of them.

I know this topic is to talk about the SSM (and I started it)
But there isn't much left to talk about.

[Crimsonum]

Seriously, I know Ixith and who else have already said this, but stop posting if you haven't got anything worth to post >___>

Have you tried the editors...

IMO RAED is just clumsy and bad to use.

Well, RAED is clumsier and more difficult to use than XCC editor for sure, but once you get used to it, it's not that bad.

[Nyerguds]

RA1 and TD are very closely related!
Why would the editors be much different?

In terms of AI (and thus, mission making), RA1 and TD aren't very closely related at all...

Why would the editors be different? Because missions are a LOT more than just the terrain and stuff on it. The mission programming in RA is a LOT more advanced than that in C&C1, because the AI is more advanced. The AI was completely rewritten for RA1.

This post has been edited by Nyerguds: Apr 12 2010, 04:36 PM

[Devastator]

Maybe thats because RA1 is newer.

But same terrain/trees, same SHPs, and same cameos. (For the units that both have)
Differences are sounds, missions/AI as Nyer said.

[Nyerguds]

"same terrain" isn't true either. RA has a LOT more terrain tiles than C&C1; just think of the RA1 shore cliffs.

Also, map terrain, Terrain elements (trees and such) and Overlay (neutral fences, indestructible buildings) are saved in a completely different way in RA maps.

This post has been edited by Nyerguds: Apr 14 2010, 09:23 PM

[Devastator]

Same plain grass terrain at least.

And as I said many of the same anims such as atomsfx.shp
RA1 also had skirmish, but thats why people play what you should about CnCNet now.

[Nyerguds]

The tiles being the same size and same graphics doesn't necessarily make the editors similar...

[Orac]

Thanks, Nyerguds. I've learned a lot.

[Devastator]

You'll learn all about TD from the patch-making Nyer!